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 Post subject: Obama's Foreign Policy Team
PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:51 am 
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History repeats itself to promote Pax Americana but USA has a choice between a defensive or aggressive role. On the other hand, the future could not be the same as the past.

Who would McCain have appointed? Bush started a war without end. What better way than to get the hawks to put an end to put an end to the unfinished business!

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Barack Obama's Kettle of Hawks
December 2, 2008 by The Guardian/UK
by Jeremy Scahill

Barack Obama has assembled a team of rivals to implement his foreign policy. But while pundits and journalists speculate endlessly on the potential for drama with Hillary Clinton at the state department and Bill Clinton's network of shady funders, the real rivalry that will play out goes virtually unmentioned. The main battles will not be between Obama's staff, but rather against those who actually want a change in US foreign policy, not just a staff change in the war room.

When announcing his foreign policy team on Monday, Obama said: "I didn't go around checking their voter registration." That is a bit hard to believe, given the 63-question application to work in his White House. But Obama clearly did check their credentials, and the disturbing truth is that he liked what he saw.

The assembly of Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, Susan Rice and Joe Biden is a kettle of hawks with a proven track record of support for the Iraq war, militaristic interventionism, neoliberal economic policies and a worldview consistent with the foreign policy arch that stretches from George HW Bush's time in office to the present.

Obama has dismissed suggestions that the public records of his appointees bear much relevance to future policy. "Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost," Obama said. "It comes from me. That's my job, to provide a vision in terms of where we are going and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing." It is a line the president-elect's defenders echo often. The reality, though, is that their records do matter.

We were told repeatedly during the campaign that Obama was right on the premiere foreign policy issue of our day - the Iraq war. "Six years ago, I stood up and opposed this war at a time when it was politically risky to do so," Obama said in his September debate against John McCain. "Senator McCain and President Bush had a very different judgment." What does it say that, with 130 members of the House and 23 in the Senate who voted against the war, Obama chooses to hire Democrats who made the same judgement as Bush and McCain?

On Iraq, the issue that the Obama campaign described as "the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation", Biden and Clinton not only supported the invasion, but pushed the Bush administration's propaganda and lies about Iraqi WMDs and fictitious connections to al-Qaida. Clinton and Obama's hawkish, pro-Israel chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, still refuse to renounce their votes in favour of the war. Rice, who claims she opposed the Iraq war, didn't hold elected office and was not confronted with voting for or against it. But she did publicly promote the myth of Iraq's possession of WMDs, saying in the lead up to the war that the "major threat" must "be dealt with forcefully". Rice has also been hawkish on Darfur, calling for "strik[ing] Sudanese airfields, aircraft and other military assets".

It is also deeply telling that, of his own free will, Obama selected President Bush's choice for defence secretary, a man with a very disturbing and lengthy history at the CIA during the cold war, as his own. While General James Jones, Obama's nominee for national security adviser, reportedly opposed the Iraq invasion and is said to have stood up to the neocons in Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon, he did not do so publicly when it would have carried weight. Time magazine described him as "the man who led the Marines during the run-up to the war - and failed to publicly criticise the operation's flawed planning". Moreover, Jones, who is a friend of McCain's, has said a timetable for Iraq withdrawal, "would be against our national interest".

But the problem with Obama's appointments is hardly just a matter of bad vision on Iraq. What ultimately ties Obama's team together is their unified support for the classic US foreign policy recipe: the hidden hand of the free market, backed up by the iron fist of US militarism to defend the America First doctrine.

Obama's starry-eyed defenders have tried to downplay the importance of his cabinet selections, saying Obama will call the shots, but the ruling elite in this country see it for what it is. Karl Rove, "Bush's Brain", called Obama's cabinet selections, "reassuring", which itself is disconcerting, but neoconservative leader and former McCain campaign staffer Max Boot summed it up best. "I am gobsmacked by these appointments, most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain," Boot wrote. The appointment of General Jones and the retention of Gates at defence "all but puts an end to the 16-month timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, the unconditional summits with dictators and other foolishness that once emanated from the Obama campaign."

Boot added that Hillary Clinton will be a "powerful" voice "for 'neoliberalism' which is not so different in many respects from 'neoconservativism.'" Boot's buddy, Michael Goldfarb, wrote in The Weekly Standard, the official organ of the neoconservative movement, that he sees "certainly nothing that represents a drastic change in how Washington does business. The expectation is that Obama is set to continue the course set by Bush in his second term."

There is not a single, solid anti-war voice in the upper echelons of the Obama foreign policy apparatus. And this is the point: Obama is not going to fundamentally change US foreign policy. He is a status quo Democrat. And that is why the mono-partisan Washington insiders are gushing over Obama's new team. At the same time, it is also disingenuous to act as though Obama is engaging in some epic betrayal. Of course these appointments contradict his campaign rhetoric of change. But move past the speeches and Obama's selections are very much in sync with his record and the foreign policy vision he articulated on the campaign trail, from his pledge to escalate the war in Afghanistan to his "residual force" plan in Iraq to his vow to use unilateral force in Pakistan to defend US interests to his posturing on Iran. "I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel," Obama said in his famed speech at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee last summer. "Sometimes, there are no alternatives to confrontation."


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 Post subject: Re: Obama's Foreign Policy Team
PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:29 pm 
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Wynston wrote:
History repeats itself to promote Pax Americana but USA has a choice between a defensive or aggressive role. On the other hand, the future could not be the same as the past.
Who would McCain have appointed? Bush started a war without end. What better way than to get the hawks to put an end to put an end to the unfinished business!


Obama is just another lameduck president, with foreign policy hijacked by the usual suspects.

McCain warns Pakistan of Indian air strikes
http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/07/stories ... 500100.htm

Pakistan link to Mumbai attacks evident: Obama's adviser
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 798295.cms

Pak on track to being named terrorist state
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pak_ ... 803272.cms

Gingrich Says Israel Should Set A Deadline For Attack On Iran
http://www.prisonplanet.com/gingrich-sa ... -iran.html

U.S. Collective Dictatorship Enlarges
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff242.html


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 Post subject: Obama plans foreign policy direction
PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:32 pm 
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Lameduck? Give the guy a chance. He hasn't been inaugurated! Every presidency has an identifiable trademark. Historians would only venture as far as to make comparisons of research data but not to assert that civilization hasn't changed for centuries. That's a cliche that even a child would not fall for. What's the purpose of citing biased sources who can't wait to fight. Remember McCain's call to "fight" during the election campaign? It can't help but to arouse suspicion of your agenda of collaborating with hawks.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama plans foreign policy direction
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:00 am 
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orange blossom wrote:
Lameduck? Give the guy a chance. He hasn't been inaugurated! Every presidency has an identifiable trademark. Historians would only venture as far as to make comparisons of research data but not to assert that civilization hasn't changed for centuries. That's a cliche that even a child would not fall for.


Pardon me, if most major foreign policy directions have been made even before he is inaugurated, doesn't that makes him just a lameduck president? Britain had left Iraq in shame, but the US will not go so quietly.The war hawks are planning their next moves.

President-elect Barack Obama's team include Hillary Clinton, who voted to attack Iraq without even reading the intelligence assessment and has since threatened to obliterate Iran on behalf of Israel.

Obama’s secretary of defense will be Robert Gates, who serves the lawless, blood-soaked Bush regime as secretary of defense(read secretary of war-America last defended itself in 1812 when the British invaded). Gates wants to perpetually postpone the date for an Iraq withdrawal and wants more than 20,000 troops to be sent to Afghanistan. He also wants to overhaul and build a completely new nuclear arsenal, including “tactical” nuclear weapons that could blur the distinction with conventional weapons.

Obama’s choice for CIA chief, John Brennan, shares responsibility for the kidnapping and torturing of people, also known as extraordinary rendition.

Obama appointed Lawrence Summers to head the National Economic Council. Previously he was the treasury secretary and advocate laws which deregulated derivatives and spread financial losses.

Obama’s campaign was funded mainly by Citigroup and others responsible for the sub-prime crisis, whose victims were mostly African Americans and other poor people.

With such a "great" team in place, even one of John McCain’s principal advisers, Max Boot, mentioned that these appointments could just as easily have come from McCain. Don't you love politics?


orange blossom wrote:
It can't help but to arouse suspicion of your agenda of collaborating with hawks


Now you have really make me into a Cheney fan! :twisted:


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 Post subject: John Brennan : choice of CIA chief - calibre or politics?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:42 am 
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The appointments have not been finalised. Former CIA deputy executive director John Brennan had been the leading contender for the Langley job due to his competence and professional qualifications. Obama team listens to the people's objections about Brennan's affiliation. But it would be difficult to find a candidate who has the experience and calibre who is not indirectly or politically linked to the Bush Administration policies and yet commands the respect of the CIA's rank and file. Intelligence is a career service for most officers. In life, we sometimes have to go with the flow to keep our jobs even if we may not agree fully with the policies of the organization. But there is a difference between initiating and actively pursuing a policy and those who tagged along. The latter may not be free from culpability or blame but there is a shade of difference when one has to make a choice.

Hypothetically, McCain would have appointed more mooses to the cabinet. Get the strong drift?


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 Post subject: Obama a lameduck? Give us a break! Kid us not!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:37 am 
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This is extracted from the online dictionary :

* A lame duck is an elected official who loses political power or is no longer responsive to the electorate as a result of :
losing an election, or
retiring (choosing not to seek another term), or
a term limit which keeps the official from running for that particular office again, or
the elimination of the office, which must nonetheless be served out until the end of the official's term.

* lame duck executives, particularly Presidents of the United States, are notorious for issuing a series of executive orders or making appointments during their last days that they would not otherwise have made if it would have influenced the vote against them.

I shan't bother to quote Goobai's comments. Barely a few lines and they contain many grammatical errors. It attests to the lame and unsatisfactory barometer of the writer.

Reality check : hawks and doves probably exist in paradise too. Don't expect difficult people to disappear into thin air, oh how we wish ...


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 Post subject: Re: Obama a lameduck? Give us a break! Kid us not!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:33 am 
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orange blossom wrote:
This is extracted from the online dictionary :

* A lame duck is an elected official who loses political power or is no longer responsive to the electorate as a result of :
losing an election, or
retiring (choosing not to seek another term), or
a term limit which keeps the official from running for that particular office again, or
the elimination of the office, which must nonetheless be served out until the end of the official's term.

* lame duck executives, particularly Presidents of the United States, are notorious for issuing a series of executive orders or making appointments during their last days that they would not otherwise have made if it would have influenced the vote against them.

I shan't bother to quote Goobai's comments. Barely a few lines and they contain many grammatical errors. It attests to the lame and unsatisfactory barometer of the writer.

Reality check : hawks and doves probably exist in paradise too. Don't expect difficult people to disappear into thin air, oh how we wish ...



Stick to the argument and stop meandering to your oh-so-powerful-than-thou command of the English language.It is a lame excuse to deviate from the crux of the matter.The purpose of writing is to communicate. It is not to make art or to impress the reader with your sophistication.


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 Post subject: Huh? Who's not staying on course? Speaking about the devil!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:49 am 
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It's funny to hear this coming from one who is a persistent exhibitionist who deviates from the main subject, dodges real issues and attempts at coverups though with limited success. So it will help if you try not to embarrass yourself any further. The more you draw, the murkier and blacker the water gets.


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 Post subject: The Devil's Advocate
PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:40 am 
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orange blossom wrote:
It's funny to hear this coming from one who is a persistent exhibitionist who deviates from the main subject, dodges real issues and attempts at coverups though with limited success. So it will help if you try not to embarrass yourself any further. The more you draw, the murkier and blacker the water gets.


I am beginning to see stars now from your beating around the bush.Let's remain focused. The "waters are certainly getting murkier", but it doesn't deter the war hawks to further their agenda by trying to overrule the incoming president.

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Gates: Troops staying in Iraq regardless of election

Gates said not to expect troops to leave Iraq after the upcoming U.S. election.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/ ... index.html


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