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 Post subject: Healthcare Down Under
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:20 pm 
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If the reputable Royal North Shore hospital hospital has degenerated to this state, we don't know what to expect of the other public hospitals in the state. Australia is a developed country and we do not expect the situation to reach such a pathetic state. Something needs to be done.

The crux of the problem lies in the shortage of funds despite the enviable budget surplus of more than 17 million. Instead of cooperating and addressing the important issues, the Federal Liberal Coalition government has been playing the blame game with the State governments that are mostly headed by Labour party premiers.

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October 4, 2007

I have just finished four evenings in emergency at Ryde Hospital, part of the North Shore network, with minimal sleep over the long weekend. I am a mere intern, fresh out of medical school, driving with a learner's licence, but driving nonetheless.

Recent events at Royal North Shore Hospital and its aftermath have brought tremendous sorrow into my life. Sorrow for the mother who miscarried, sorrow for the hospital and sorrow for our health profession. What is more unfortunate however, is that the event has become a platform for politicians to campaign while the real problem disappears into the background.

There is no doubt that what happened to Jana Horska was a tragedy. Miscarriage at any stage is a harrowing experience and you do not need medical training to appreciate that.

We live in a time of medical miracles. Heart attacks can be prevented and stopped as they are happening, degenerating hips are replaced with synthetic ones, cancers can be beaten into submission through chemicals. But we are helpless in effecting change in the early period of pregnancy. There are no absolute predictors for which pregnancy will proceed and which will terminate. Such is the nature of conception. Mothers are usually fit and healthy. Telling them that something may go wrong is exceedingly difficult.

For better or worse, our emergency departments are designed for emergencies. Patients are categorised by severity and reversibility. It is unfortunate but necessary. Patients who may die from a easily reversible condition are given priority over patients who we are helpless to assist.

In an ideal world, Ms Horska would have been placed into a bed and protected from the ultimate horrors that ensued, but hospitals in their current form cannot provide that. We as health professionals have no control over who receives a bed. Guidelines and codes determine which patients receive a bed.

The attempt to categorise human suffering has led us ultimately to this destination. Having spent all my student years at Royal North Shore Hospital and feeling like I was part of a family, I have watched it degrade over the past five years. It is no secret that many hospitals are underfunded and under-resourced. Budgets are exceeded each year and the response by the bureaucrats is to give less. This will encourage less spending over the next financial year as workers attempt to be more fiscal at a cost to patients. Thus reports of budget "blow-outs" are often misrepresented because hospitals have less to work with each year. Hospitals are not businesses and yet are managed as such with boards and chief executives. Patients are not profits and yet economic models are applied in attempts to manage them. These are the cards we are dealt everyday.

There is a belief that we practise medicine for financial gain yet, any doctor working in today's health system will laugh when this is suggested. I am not implying that doctors are scraping the poverty line and most do live quite comfortably. But the sacrifices made to attain that level of comfort come at the expense of their own families and their own lives. Thus the real reward in medicine lies in the ability to help another even if there are difficulties in expressing this undeniable truth.

I was completing a research masters at Cambridge when my professor discovered I was finishing to pursue medicine. He laughed and tried to dissuade me. "What would you rather, Phil?" he asked in a typical pompous British accent. "To affect the life of one? Or the life of millions ?"

I chose the life of one. The doctors, nurses and health workers I have encountered at North Shore and elsewhere have served to confirm my initial decision. I can confidently say that most I have encountered hold the above ideal true.

This ideal is what brings my colleagues and myself into work every day, to face abuse from patients for an article they read that morning, to go through shifts of 14 hours or more without breaks and to find increasingly that we have less to work with. This ideal and its current state forms the basis for my compulsion to write and make an impassioned plea.

As the hype settles and the blame game takes its turn moving around the board, I hope the real issue resurfaces. What happened with Ms Horska is the tip of the iceberg of faults that exist in the health system and not just at Royal North Shore Hospital. Inquiries and articles blaming doctors, nurses and health workers may satisfy the anger of the mob, but it will never effect change.

In a period of prosperity, the resources of hospitals and universities have dwindled. Politicians will debate the foibles of my colleagues and seniors, shifting blame and providing a smokescreen to the truth. I love my job and medicine in spite of the system and I can attest that many of my colleagues feel the same. Yet the current system has drained the passion away from so many, turning them apathetic as they are blamed for actions beyond their control.

The media have tremendous power and effect. Effect that can be directed towards change and empowering individuals. Effect that is lacking in current stories about blame and fear.

Dr Phil Huang is an intern employed by Royal North Shore Hospital.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/misg ... ntentSwap1


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 Post subject: Tip of the Iceberg
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:20 am 
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Bob Carr, former NSW Premier, was largely responsible for the malaise in the health care of the first state in Australia. He was astute and could see it coming and conveniently "retired" before his terms ran out, leaving the mess for his successor and the people to bear. Well, that was in the past, and now the immediate concerns are to take speedy and drastic remedies to resolve the near crisis situation.

Just like education, the Federal government is not disbursing sufficient funds, forcing many to turn to private and fee paying options for more efficient services. As rightly pointed out by the editorial, there is a need for a more comprehensive healthcare with peripheral community outpatient services taking a share of the burden to clear the bottlenecks of A&E department of public hospitals.

The RNS hospital episodes highlight the desperate need for revolution, a paradigm shift from stop gap measures especially in NSW. Up north in Queensland, hospitals are giving better employment terms and incentives to attract nurses to leave NSW for greener pastures. This does not bode well for the future of NSW healthcare.

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October 6, 2007

So much for the brand "public health". What can it be worth in NSW after the damage of the past 10 days? No private enterprise relying on its reputation could hope to survive so many accusations of neglect and mistreatment. Casualty wards would be empty, and the receivers would be showing the NSW Health Minister, Reba Meagher, the door.

But this is the public sector: accountability strictly limited. Faceless bureaucrats are still in place; their political masters, too. They know the public has little choice, and neither do the many dedicated front-line health professionals who work in public hospitals. So more blame-shifting between NSW and Canberra has been the chief response to the extraordinary litany of complaints sparked by last week's shocking tale of how Jana Horska was left to miscarry in the toilet of Sydney's Royal North Shore Hospital.

Recriminations abound, facts are few. However, thanks to the Federal Government's own Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, we can see how Canberra has reduced its share of annual funding for public hospitals over the Howard years. A decade ago, Canberra and the states and territories contributed equally. Now the states and territories put in $12.4 billion a year, and Canberra puts up $10.1 billion. If the Federal Government had continued to match the states, that would mean an extra $800 million annually, or thereabouts, for NSW public hospitals.

The federal Health Minister, Tony Abbott, says the institute's figures ignore the Government's contribution to private hospitals via the 30 per cent tax rebate on private health insurance premiums. Add that, says Mr Abbott, and the Commonwealth's share of total hospital funding equals that of the states and territories. But the argument in NSW is not about hospitals generally, but public hospitals in particular.

When the Federal Government introduced the 30 per cent rebate eight years ago, it claimed that the rebate would reduce the burden on public hospitals by encouraging patients to go private. The Herald argued then that if the Government wanted the cost of the rebate - now a whopping $3.5 billion a year - to go to public hospitals, it should simply pay it to them directly.

Certainly there has been a marked increase in the use of private hospitals in recent years, and no doubt this owes something to the rebate. The problem is that demands on public hospitals have grown even more. Those facing long waits for essential surgery in NSW public hospitals may be rightly irked that the health insurance rebate helps finance less urgent procedures in private hospitals.

But more federal funding is only part of the answer to the problems in NSW. In the longer term, the system needs to become less reliant on large public hospitals, and put greater emphasis on community care. It is moving in that direction, but all too slowly. Equally, there needs to be more emphasis on preventive medicine if we are to restrain the exponential growth in demand for treatment. Immediately, however, the Government has to do better with what it has.

That means heeding the advice of those on the front line, and there has lately been no shortage of frank talk from chiefs of emergency medicine about the frustration and ultimate demoralisation that comes from constantly trying to do too much with too few and too little. They are particularly scathing about being bullied by bureaucracies and management they find as uncomprehending as they are unaccountable.

Worryingly, this seems to have come as a revelation to "The Grim Reba" Meagher, who said after meeting heads of emergency from major hospitals that their relationships with the department "seem to have broken down". Seem to! Meanwhile the Premier, Morris Iemma, is busy keeping his inquiries into Royal North Shore as narrow as possible despite giving Jana Horska and her husband, Mark Dreyer, the impression he would investigate all their concerns.

So we have a Health Minister who doesn't know - and a Premier who doesn't want to know. Just as well these are not matters of life and death.

http://www.smh.com.au/editorial/?page=f ... ntentSwap1


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 Post subject: Healthcare in Hospitals
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:40 pm 
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It’s the same situation in government funded hospitals everywhere nowadays, where medical health service is provided free for residents of the country. This is indeed a social problem, as well as a political one.

Because hospitalization is provided free, or almost free by the state, every resident or citizen wants the free service because he has paid taxes when he has been working, just as he expects free education from the state (up to secondary level in most countries). Because it is free, he may go to hospital for the slightest ailment and this in turn is loading up the hospital facilities to the limit. The government on the other hand would rather spend the money on other revenue generating investments, like roads, airport terminals, water supply, power stations, etc, and let the hospitals run on its own. Because of poor funding, some hospitals may not sustain the bottom line, and this results in older equipment and facilities still being used, under-staffing and poorly-paid doctors who are often stretched to their physical limits. A new intern, or house officer, on call may work up to 36-hour session (this may be reduced now) once or twice a week.

We therefore often hear of waiting times up to a year for certain surgical operations because of the long waiting list, not enough surgeons and lack of funds in the hospital. But, one can get around it by registering as a private patient provided he can foot the bill which can be ‘astronomical’ for an average resident of the country. So almost all patients who cannot afford, or who don’t wish to pay the high costs, would rather remain on the waiting list, or die while waiting, whichever is earlier.

I believe UK and Australia have free hospitalization for their residents. In US, hospitalization is usually funded by insurance and so there is hardly any need to wait for an operation. So everybody in US buys hospitalization insurance and the poor who has no insurance will not be admitted to hospital and they will die at home, or on the street. In Singapore, it may be true that no one will be denied any hospital treatment. That is because everyone pays, but at different levels of subsidy according to the class of bed that he chooses. Only the destitute who has no means of income will get free hospital treatment. The rest will have to pay subsidized rates of B2-Class or B1-Class that he chooses. Private patients and non-residents pay the non-subsidized full rates as A-Class patients. Because of this payment system for healthcare in the government funded hospitals, the long waiting experienced by patients in other countries does not happen in Singapore. Though there is still some waiting for subsidized patients compared to private patients who get instant treatment, it is not as long as in other countries with free medical healthcare.


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 Post subject: Social Responsibility and Compassion Lacking
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:23 pm 
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Egret is right in that public hospitals worldwide including the developed countries, face problems of staff shortages and inadequate funding. Friends who have worked in other countries know that Australia is not alone in terms of such problems but certainly the situation has got worse. Unlike a decade ago, the patient load has increased without corresponding catch up in services.

The main issue is that most Australians pay around 40 per cent of their disposable income to the tax office and they do expect a decent standard of healthcare. I believe this is a very different picture from where Egret comes from. As in the US, Australians are "encouraged" by the government to take up private insurance policy to cover ambulance services, dental, hospitalisation and after surgery care. There is no "free" healthcare so to speak.

Mismanagement and lack of strategic planning is another issue. The case of hospitals having to bid for doctors for critical periods show it's a case of penny wise pound foolish. Instead of engaging sufficient full time permanent doctors and nurses, hospitals put many healthcare professionals on casual employment, which would actually require them to pay higher daily rates. When work gets too busy, public hospitals resort to "bidding" high rates just to compete for staff!

The much publicised stories of women who were left unattended or enquired after when they had miscarriage, underscores the lack of compassion that arose from both human and systemic failures.

Hopefully, a Labour government would overhaul the healthcare system for the better.


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 Post subject: Healthcare in Hospitals
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:04 am 
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I believe that the tax system of the country has to do with the quality of healthcare expected by its citizens. If Australians and the British pay around 40% of their disposable incomes to the tax office, they should expect a reasonable standard of healthcare from public hospitals. Yes, it’s not “free healthcare” that the politicians often put it that way, or perceived by the public. When it is paid for from the common pool, people always think it is “free healthcare”. The healthcare that a person receives has been paid for in advance, so to speak, through the taxes. But the quality of healthcare being provided is also not clearly defined.

Since everybody pays taxes all the time when he works and not everyone is in need of healthcare all the time, a more equitable way of distributing one’s tax contribution to one’s needs of healthcare is, perhaps, for the government to allocate part of this 40% tax collected from the individual to pay for his medical insurance. This is tantamount to reducing a person’s income tax by an amount equal to the insurance premium payable and he is forced to buy medical insurance through the government, or by law. If he is out of work and no tax is collected from him, the government still collects the insurance premium from whatever unemployment benefits that he is entitled to. The insurance part can be administered by the insurance companies and they can compete amongst themselves to offer the best medical benefits for the insured.

It’s almost like in US where one pays an income tax much lower than 40% of disposable income and he then buys the medical insurance himself, otherwise no hospital will admit him when he gets sick.


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 Post subject: Hospitals Serving Who?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:34 am 
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Little Egret, the situation has reached quite bizzare proportions. While there is no doubt that the media could be whipping up a frenzy with daily reports, the state of public healthcare has gone down the drain and is in desperate need for a major revamp.

Channel 9 TV on 17 Oct 2007 news has this report which I've summarised :

A baby was delivered at the foyer of a public hospital in southwestern suburb of Sydney by the father, a security guard and a couple of onlookers. The hospital's statement said the delivery was a rapid birth and there was not enough time for staff to deliver the child. However, the baby's father said he rang ahead to warn the hospital they were on their way. 25 odd minutes passed by without any help; they took
15 minutes to deliver the baby girl and another 10 minutes to get the mother into the birthing centre only 67 steps from where she gave birth.

The baby's father alleged that a nurse told him she wanted to help "but couldn't because of occupational health and safety laws".

At another hospital, a surgeon complained that he had repeatedly been forced to cancel surgery at the last minute because of a shortage of staff and beds. "I had a patient recently who had the face mask on and was given oxygen and her operation was again delayed," he said.

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Those who could afford it would take up medical insurance to pay for better services in a private hospital. What about the majority who can't afford to pay for premium hospitalisation coverage?


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 Post subject: Shortage of Doctors & Hospitalisation Insurance
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:00 am 
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Orange blossom, you have raised two points which seem to be quite universal among the developed countries, like Australia, Canada and also UK.

Shortage of Doctors – I remember reading in our local papers sometime back in early 1990s that a Malaysian girl in her final year at her medical school in NSW University was told she had to return to her home country to do her houseman-year after graduation as there was no place for her to do so in NSW. The houseman-year is mandatory in order to be registered as a doctor in the state where it is completed. Denying her to complete her houseman-year in Australia meant she could not be registered as a doctor in Australia even though she had graduated from that country. There must have been a few medical students in the same predicament at the time. (I do not know whether this situation has changed since then.)

If she had been registered in Australia, she might have continued to serve the hospitals there and might even become an Australia citizen today. She and many like her were not financed by the Australian government which, in fact, would have obtained such an educated immigrant free and ready to serve the country where it now finds itself short of doctors in the hospitals.

The irony of Australian immigration is that a skilled workman is welcome to settle in the country to practise his trade, whereas a qualified doctor from overseas despite having obtained his postgraduate degree from UK is required to take again the Australian medical exams, if he wants to continue to work as a doctor in Australia, as if the Australian standard of medical education is higher than that of UK. If Australia were to allow foreign-trained doctors to immigrate and work in the country’s hospitals, its doctor shortage would have solved by a single stroke of the pen.

Currently, many non British-born doctors undergoing postgraduate training (basic and advanced) in UK are being displaced by the EU policy being applied by UK of giving preference to doctors coming from less-developed EU states, who can’t even speak proper English. Many of the doctors adversely affected are from India, who have gone to UK for postgraduate training and are now being asked to leave because of the new government policy. I’m sure they are most willing to work in Australian hospitals. What is the stumbling block -the Australian Medical Association, the Australian Medical Council, or the Australian Department of Immigration? Surely, the Health Minister and the Minister responsible for immigration can get together to resolve the doctor shortage.

Hospitalisation Insurance – Majority of people pay the high income tax in Australia. It’s not the question that they cannot afford to pay the hospitalisation insurance coverage. They consider, and rightly so, that the taxes they have paid should go for paying the proper healthcare needed, just like unemployment and retirement benefits that they receive when needed. As I have suggested above, the Australian government can reduce the personal income tax and let its taxpayers buy their own hospitalisation insurance coverage with this tax deduction or allowance? This is something that the government can do by legislation to compel people to buy the insurance coverage. Whether it is willing to do so, or has some other priority is another thing.


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 Post subject: Leadership and Management
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:24 pm 
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It is a indeed complex issue with no easy solution.

The main obstacle is Howard government’s political philosophy. Public services -- health, education, transport -- are allowed to deteriorate despite huge budget surplus year after year. As the election campaigning intensifies, the incumbent government would rather spend heaps of public money on advertising, tax rebates for mums and other goodies aimed at winning votes. The money could be better spent on providing better essential public services to the people. The government could well afford to but maintains a tight fisted policy with public hospitals and schools managed by the Labour (opposition party)!

As Little Egret rightly pointed out, part of the problem is due to the shortage of doctors (and nurses too). This is a worldwide phenomenon. However, the problem in Australia has been exacerbated by the government giving in to the longstanding protectionist medical lobby. Unless foreign students take up Australian residency, they are required to leave after graduation. Admission of foreign trained doctors is restricted to remote outback areas where few local doctors are willing to serve. However, there are loopholes to plug emergency stopgaps by expediting the recruitment of foreign trained doctors.

The healthcare picture is clouded by contradictory policies and mismanagement. Please refer to my earlier posts on “penny wise pound foolish” staffing schedule and expenses.

We wish that the Australian government would be enlightened to link tax rebates to health insurance. Currently, tax payers are effectively paying a "levy" on medicare meant for public healthcare, GP, as well as their own private insurance despite already paying 40% tax on income. Although tax rate at the high end has been revised downwards over the years, no attempt has been made to address the problem of healthcare. There are many private medical insurance funds offering different types of coverage, hence, it would be difficult for the government to compel or track private individuals’ policy.


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 Post subject: Uncaring Government
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We get a better idea of what the older folks mean when they compare the good old days - then and now.

Have a read of this post on Economics Blinds Social Needs :

http://oneworldtalk.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=396


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 Post subject: Foreign doctors 'scapegoat' warning in UK
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Here is an update on foreign doctors training in UK by Press Assoc – Wed 24 Oct 2007

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Foreign doctors already working in the UK must not be "scapegoated" as the Government tries to cut medical immigration, the British Medical Association (BMA) said.

The Department of Health is considering changes to the rules for medical graduates from outside the European Economic Area applying to specialist training posts next year.

But the BMA, giving evidence to the consultation, has said that while medical immigration should be better controlled, the thousands of doctors and medical students from overseas who are already in the UK should not be penalised.

Dr Terry John, chair of the BMAs International Committee, said: "Long-term, the UK should be able to produce its own medical workforce and managing medical immigration in the future will be necessary.

"However, the thousands of overseas junior doctors currently providing essential services in UK hospitals must not be scapegoated for the governments poor workforce planning.

"They came to the UK in good faith, and the honest expectation of training opportunities in the NHS.

"The BMA is particularly concerned about overseas students currently spending large amounts of money an average of 23,000 a year during their clinical years to study at UK medical schools.

"International medical students are often making huge personal and financial sacrifices in order to study in the UK.

"If they are not allowed to apply for postgraduate training posts, and are forced to return home, they could face a huge struggle in repaying outstanding debts."


A young surgeon-to-be whom I know was a 'victim' of the Department of Health's new ruling. He had secured a 2-year advanced specialist training programme in surgery in a London hospital amidst intense competition from British as well as other foreign-trained doctors early last year. After a year in London, the hospital told him it had to rescind his training programme as the new government guidelines would not allow the hospital to take in overseas doctors for training other than those from the EU. So this young surgeon-to-be had to leave UK midway in his training despite going there in good faith and had to return home, dashing his plan to qualify as a surgeon. The only consolation that they gave him was allowing him to return to London to take the final part of his professional exams to qualify him as a consultant.


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 Post subject: 'Serious flaws' in UK healthcare
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Is healthcare Down Under better or worse than that in UK?

Here’s a report of a survey done by Commonwealth Fund, a US think tank, on the challenges to UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7071660.stm


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 Post subject: Hospital woes
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The problems faced by Royal Northshore Hospital is no different from any hospital worldwide. There will always be a shortage of doctors and nurses unless the goverment takes active measures to recruit more staff to alleviate the problems.

Recently, the coalition goverment has promised to increase the intake of medical students if they are re elected in this election. They should have foresee this problem 11 years ago. Why wait till now? It takes 5 years to train a medical student and 1 year of internship before they can be a fully qualified doctor.


As in the case of S'pore, we do face similar problems in recruitment as there are also inadequate local doctors and nurses to fill in the positions. The goverment therefore has to resort to recruiting healthcare professionals from overseas. This poses problems to patients who are non English speaking as they have difficulty communicating with the foreign trained doctors and nurses.

In S'pore, the waiting time for an elective surgery is approximately 2 to 3 weeks and cancellation of surgery is rare due to equipment failure. Surgery for any form of cancer especially breast cancer can be operated on the patient within a week.


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 Post subject: Be Treated Like King Patients
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I hear that some retirees from the developed world going on medical vacations, having their elective surgery done in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand or Taiwan. Perhaps they have done their sums right? Is it better to seek medical treatment overseas than in their own countries considering the cost is much lower.


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 Post subject: Labour Promises to Solve Health and Education Issues
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Can we entrust politicians to keep their election promises to invest more in education and health and overhaul the chronic problems in these areas?

http://oneworldtalk.freeforums.org/view ... =1551#1551


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 Post subject: Healthcare down under
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Robo king,

Private medical fees in South East Asia is definitely much cheaper compared to Australia excluding Singapore. Fees charged by different private specialists can be exorbitant in S'pore, but you can be assured that you have the best medical expertise to treat you.


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 Post subject: Altruism - the best medicine for doctors
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Does altruism still exist in the medical profession?

http://oneworldtalk.freeforums.org/view ... =1694#1694


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 Post subject: Ranking of professions will be fairer
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This question is better answered by ranking altruism amongst all professions that may deal with the public - lawyers, accountants, architects, pharmacists, teachers, nurses, religious preachers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, policemen, civil servants, as well as politicians (as a profession), etc, from 1 to 10. The profession that ranks the lowest can be said to have no altruism.


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 Post subject: It's about Life
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The distinction between other professionals and those in medical and healhtcare is the latter are caring for the lives and well being of human beings. Not that other professionals are dispensable but doctors are probably accorded more respect because of ardous road to medical degree, long hours of work and dealing with life threatening issues.

There is a code of ethics governing each profession. However, most would see doctors and nurses to go beyond their call of duty. It's a calling of a higher order or realm. However, these healthcare professionals need to be adequately compensated for the challenging work they perform.

The problem lies in the state in the case pointed out by the GP who wrote the letter to the press. In its pursuit of economic growth, the government has squeezed the public healthcare system. Elsewhere, many hospitals have increased salaries of nurses to retain and attract more staff.


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 Post subject: Call of Duty
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Precisely - the problem is not with the medical profession, or the doctor. It’s the state that provides the healthcare system.

If the state where we live does not provide adequate facilities or engage sufficient manpower to man the system, patients will suffer. The medical professionals have to make do with whatever facilities, equipment and support available to them. A decision or judgement that they sometimes make may not be an ideal one given the limited option open to them.

How can this wishful society continue expecting doctors and nurses to go beyond their call of duty when the society itself wants to take on less burden and responsibility? Doctors and nurses are not missionaries, although some do work in the missions.


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 Post subject: Compare Healthcare in China
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See my post on Healthcare in China where the situation is worse.
http://oneworldtalk.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=716


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